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moonbeam1912		#21	[-]
Posts: 2732 (16/07/2008 2:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yeah, well don't get me wrong...I love money and the mobility I've been afforded...and I'm going to watch as years of investments in a very healthy porfolio quickly recede with the energies that will bombard us come Oct-Nov. I too have been trying to figure out how to ride it through...even stuffing my mattresses with the sell off. I think I'll leave the gold investments alone and perhaps place more there, but I'm also thinking of buying land to co-op with others so that we can raise and grow food. I've already found 3 others interested, but I'd love to do it on a broader scale. xoxo
SpiritRhythms		#22	[-]
Posts: 12910 (17/07/2008 12:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nice Post, Lisa, ...some interesting viewpoints here. A psychic told me years ago that the real estate market will burst, and that will be the time to speculate. I don't see doom and gloom, but the I expect that the US economy will not come back for a long time, and many will have some rough going. Time for a psychic reading. Any volunteers or recommendations?
john245		#23	[-]
Posts: 186 (17/07/2008 4:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That land idea sounds a good way to go Luda. Maybe also have some seeds in reserve for future use.
unfettered mind		#24	[-]
Posts: 6802 (18/07/2008 10:23 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Personally, I would not withdraw funds out of a retirement fund. When you place money in a retirement fund, especially at your age, it's with the intention of a long-term investement. As a long-term investement, it's sure to see some highs and lows over the years, no doubt. However, you should come out okay over the long haul, assuming things don't all collapse and I honestly don't see the entire financial infrastructure of our society collapsing. Sadly, I feel that many are almost wishing for that and those who aren't wishing for it seem somewhat resigned to it. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why people are accepting this economic downturn as an inevitable recessio. Nor am I sure why people are accepting some blips on the stock market, which happen all the time, as a precursor to a crash. I'm seeing this with just about everyone I come into contact with face to face right now. But with all that we here at EA know about Law of Attraction, I'm surprised to see the same attitude and sort of depressed energy surrounding this topic. I personally am trying to stay upbeat about things. I'm letting my investments ride. I'm not allowing panic to set in. I'm not entertaining thoughts of financial strain. I live rather conservatively anyway and always keep a bit of a financial cushion. Will I go out and spend wildly right now? Nope. But I'm not living as if my life or financial standing is going to be ripped out from under me either because I don't choose to experience that. The thing I am worried about is the mass consciousness that seems to be brewing out there that we are stuck in the swirl of the drain, being inevitably sucked down the sewer-pipe. C'mon people. How about a little positive thought to attract something better for ourselves and as a society? Back on topic though - once you draw money out of a retirement, you will inevitably find something to spend it on. Then you have nothing for your retirement years and are starting from scratch. It's the compounding interest over years that reallly puts you in a good position for retirement. Rule of thumb - forget that money exists as far as current budgeting and never ever touch retirement unless absolutely necessary. Personally, I don't want to be busting my b.utt or scraping together money for groceries at 80, so I'm planning now.
moonbeam1912		#25	[-]
Posts: 2736 (18/07/2008 11:05 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with your premise Mel that we should not be negative about the outcome. The fact remains however that the market is in a downturn. I just found out yesterday that I need to trust my intuition more than I do. Two weeks ago when I suddenly felt I should take action on my stocks, I didn't. I thought I would just see what happens since no one else was feeling or having the same intuitive thoughts...maybe I was wrong. But, I come to find as of yesterday that since then I have lost 75 thousand in the market so far. So I moved everything into CDs for the next 8 month period. I'm not upset about it at all because I just affirmed to myself that my intuitions are correct and now I will act on them when appropriate. I did keep a few stocks that my intuition said to maintain, but the whole of my portfolio is now safe...unless our banking system goes in the toilet. I still maintain that whatever happens is a good thing...for all. My dreams are filled with positive outcome, tho challenges will arrive, but I'm preparing for that as well. I've been contacting more people and am finding a very suitable way to co-op land to raise cows and chickens/ducks and also produce that we all can take a part in not only working together but reaping the benefits. I'm hoping to find a range of people from different ethnic backgrounds to not only share in knowledge but to show how like-minded we are. I'm really looking forward to all the possibilities. xoxo
Detlef		#26	[-]
Posts: 2324 (18/07/2008 12:03 PM) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Perhaps it is on call to have a look at the money marked as a whole. If I understand it correctly, the prime purpose of the money marked is to maximise one's influence within one's surrounding, what ever one's surrounding may be, without direct contributions, besides money itself. one's own money or someone else's money. To say it in the most simple way, the new energy will not support this actions. Regards Detlef Rah nam 111 - Ensure that Divine Purpose is driving your action 222 - Aspects of your manifestations are coming into reality 333 - Divinity is mantling and guiding you 444 - Connections to our true self being realized 555 - Beware, the upcoming end will give room for a new beginning. 666 - Seeking balance in all aspects of existence will ensure an effortless progress and transition. 777 - glorious developments are in the making, stay on your intended path and the fruits of toil are there for you. 888 - A point has been reached where divine integration can be achieved. 999 - I AM having realized this stage of development, that will bring me within the realm of no return. 000 - Who are you connected to? This number will indicate, you are operating entirely through your higher self.
moonbeam1912		#27	[-]
Posts: 2737 (18/07/2008 2:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't know if I totally agree with your understanding of the money market. While there are those who definitely see money as power and influence, there are more and more people who are using their money for mobility...to help others, creativity, broadening horizons, etc.... Are you saying that the new energy will not support this as well? Do you feel it will be a total barter system? While the idealism of that is wonderful, there will still be those who have nothing to trade other than a smile.
Detlef		#28	[-]
Posts: 2325 (18/07/2008 2:55 PM) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The most important point to understand is, how we acquire more money. Do we provide a service in doing so? Sorry, just investing into someone's business is not providing a service. Like, renting out a house and getting paid for it, or we all could become part owner of a banking system that in then will borrow us money, or we will save through this bank in other times. If someone falls on hard times, all members of the bank can and will help those who doing it hard for a wile.. It is the way we do things that will change, more then that we can not do things at all. Or are very restricted. The amount of resistance will determine if the transition will be hard or easy, or anything in between. It is always resistance to change that brings pain, in what ever form. And eventually there will be no banks and no money. Regards Detlef 111 - Ensure that Divine Purpose is driving your action 222 - Aspects of your manifestations are coming into reality 333 - Divinity is mantling and guiding you 444 - Connections to our true self being realized 555 - Beware, the upcoming end will give room for a new beginning. 666 - Seeking balance in all aspects of existence will ensure an effortless progress and transition. 777 - glorious developments are in the making, stay on your intended path and the fruits of toil are there for you. 888 - A point has been reached where divine integration can be achieved. 999 - I AM having realized this stage of development, that will bring me within the realm of no return. 000 - Who are you connected to? This number will indicate, you are operating entirely through your higher self.
moonbeam1912		#29	[-]
Posts: 2738 (19/07/2008 1:32 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry, but I'm really having trouble understanding your definition of "providing a service". Example: If I invest in someone's business so that in turn they can expand and grow to further provide a better service to others, why would that not be in alignment with the new earth? It's like a fan effect that many people can benefit from. If one is in need and I have room...provided we are of like mind, etc, etc,...they would live here for free or help out around here, but I don't think I could charge rent...dunno seems to be taking advantage of that person when times are hard. Somehow I don't feel that we are going to be picking up stray souls off the streets to care for when the new earth arrives...those challenges will have already served their purpose and we will have moved forward. I don't feel that commerce is going to be dead at all. It's the attitudes that will change in HOW we do business. There may eventually no longer be a need for banks or money as we know it, but some form of currency will exist. xxoxo
mcbaggins29		#30	[-]
Posts: 2099 (19/07/2008 2:32 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi Mel, I guess I'm ready for a change in the way the financial world works and am feeling it. Down in my bones. As we are getting signs. I absolutely understand where you're coming from, as I grew up with a mother who was a retirement plans attorney and heard over and over again about the importance of putting in $$ early in your career to build a big portfolio for yourself. This is of the old paradigm. This old way of using money is not going to stay the same and I am 100% in favor of it. Maybe that's where I am putting my energy, my postitive thinking into. Changing how money is used and created. I'm not in fear mode, but am going along with my intuition with all of this. We are coming into a new world here and I hope with all my heart that people are doing a little research about 2012 and understand that we are apporoaching an age of higher consciousness. Gregg Braden is wonderful and interesting to listen to about this topic. I highly recommend his first book "Beyond Zero Point" (listenuing to the mp3 is the best). He intertwines science and spirituality and does so in a compelling way. He also talks of how all the indigenious cultures know and feel the shift that's about to come. Cultures in remote places that would have no way of communicating with the outer world feel this change approaching It's like my mind says, "no keep your money in your stocks, you have to ride this out" and my heart is saying, "now is the time to retrieve it, as the old way will be crumbling with the insurgent of this bubbling, bright new world that's about to arrive". I'm not about to stockpile my money for fear of what's to come, but I could use it to give to family members in need or plant new trees or take a spiritual retreat somewhere and expand my view. It's all for the greater good...
sarahmay.angeltherapy		#31	[-]
Posts: 124 (19/07/2008 2:50 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I do have money in the stock markets that I won't divest, retirement funds...knowing full well they may not survive. But we're pretty liquid right now. My concern is that the cash won't be safe even in my credit union. It IS a good idea to have several thousand ($5-$10,0000) in cash outside of a bank in small bills that you can get to if you need to, in case the banking system shuts down for awhile. And invest in gold and silver if you can...not on paper, to physically have the gold and silver. The interviews with Michael St. Clair at Project Camelot at http://projectcamelot.org/interviews.html are very interesting.
mcbaggins29		#32	[-]
Posts: 2100 (19/07/2008 7:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	very interesting interviews sarah, thank so much for sharing this. and thanks for your financial thoughts, good to know i'm not alone!
moonbeam1912		#33	[-]
Posts: 2739 (19/07/2008 9:48 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks Sarah for that very informative link! I have to say that I resonate very much with what is discussed in those interviews and again affirms my own gut feelings...I just wasn't correct on the timing if what St. Clair says is true as I'm not one to think that far ahead in time. The whole time frame tho is at least doubled in what I thought it would be. My thinking is that the evolution process was more accelerated than what is discussed in the interviews, but no matter as it's all good in the end anyway. But, I do want to be prepared by mid 2010 as suggested and the idea of the "radiant zones" are exactly what I have been thinking in terms of creating, so it's great to know that I am on the correct path and in alignment of what will be most needed. Now, only to talk others into understanding without raising fear levels. I am seeking much guidance in that area.
sarahmay.angeltherapy		#34	[-]
Posts: 125 (19/07/2008 11:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I know what you mean about talking to others without raising fear. My husband and I are starting to talk about it some, but I am much further along in the scenario than he is. We live in an area that has land and there are organic farmers around and people already off the grid. We actually could pull together some kind of community here. But the winters are very cold and it would be rough. Is this why we were drawn to move here 7 years ago? So confusing...
moonbeam1912		#35	[-]
Posts: 2742 (20/07/2008 12:21 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Exactly about the winters Sarah...I was invited to join others in Boulder, CO, but I just can't do the winters like that anymore. That's why I'm hoping to create a group here in the foothills of Georgia. I'm currently looking for land with a water source and hopefully thermal capabilities...still trying to find out how one does that aspect... There are already "co-housing" communities here, but they rely on city water and energy sources, actually most around the US do, so it's just trying to find those who are willing and able to change their mindset to self sustaining communities. To me 7 yrs is a lifetime...lol...so perhaps you and hubby are ready for a move? But, yeah, when I talk to others I put more emphasis on the concept rather than on the specific reasons for the need in a relatively short time frame, so that they don't feel or open themselves to the fear mode. If I can create with others something within in a year to 2-yr time frame and the sh.it does hit the fan, then everyone will be happy with what we've created on a timely basis.
suirrelgirl68		#36	[-]
Posts: 1068 (23/07/2008 2:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	communities, yes. find one, start one? need to hook up with somebody with the resources - lots have limited resources, cr@ppy credit - still having to try & maneuver in the 3d messed up system.
SpiritRhythms		#37	[-]
Posts: 12965 (23/07/2008 4:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm in line with Moonbeam on this one. Investing as greasing the wheels of economy is one of the ways things work nowadays. It is all inter-related and part of keeping the economy from becoming stagnant. I too, see many stores closed along the towns and highways. One reason for this - is because of the major changes in the way we do business. Many of us Americans buy more things on line than we do in stores nowadays. I think that although the US economy in general, will decline slowly over the years, what will be, will be. The world will evolve. We will still go through bad times, and relatively better times. I believe the most important thing we can do is think, act, and manifest positively for ourselves, and by example, our loved ones will do the same and we'll all live happily ever after.

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